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		<title>By: Vegard</title>
		<link>http://jboye.com/blogpost/complete-firefox-support-required/comment-page-1/#comment-3560</link>
		<dc:creator>Vegard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Janus. Interesting article you&#039;ve put together. I&#039;m indeed frustrated about lousy IE6 being the default web browser for lots of corporate software and web applications. 

However, you may find it informative to take a look at the market leading online classified site www.finn.no and their monthly web browser statistics. They publish som super interesting statistics on web browsers amongst their users. FINN.no is equivalent to ebay in the Norwegian market. Close to everyone passing time online has visited the site, so it provides valuable insight into what kind of browsers &#039;the people&#039; is using. 

Findings: Internet Explorer (versions 6, 7 or 8) still dominate with roughly 60 percent of visitors&#039; web browsers. Firefox is on a steady rise and has reached 17,5 percent, while the rest is Safari and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Janus. Interesting article you&#8217;ve put together. I&#8217;m indeed frustrated about lousy IE6 being the default web browser for lots of corporate software and web applications. </p>
<p>However, you may find it informative to take a look at the market leading online classified site <a href="http://www.finn.no" rel="nofollow">http://www.finn.no</a> and their monthly web browser statistics. They publish som super interesting statistics on web browsers amongst their users. FINN.no is equivalent to ebay in the Norwegian market. Close to everyone passing time online has visited the site, so it provides valuable insight into what kind of browsers &#8216;the people&#8217; is using. </p>
<p>Findings: Internet Explorer (versions 6, 7 or <img src='http://jboye.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> still dominate with roughly 60 percent of visitors&#8217; web browsers. Firefox is on a steady rise and has reached 17,5 percent, while the rest is Safari and others.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Wendt</title>
		<link>http://jboye.com/blogpost/complete-firefox-support-required/comment-page-1/#comment-2434</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Wendt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acknowledging that Composite C1 enjoys 100% Firefox support by removing us from this list is something I would like to thank you for. That’s a vendor list we are glad not to be part of. Interoperability and web standards are dear to out heart and your mission with this blog post is a mission we fully support – keep up the good work!

Marcus Wendt
Composite</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acknowledging that Composite C1 enjoys 100% Firefox support by removing us from this list is something I would like to thank you for. That’s a vendor list we are glad not to be part of. Interoperability and web standards are dear to out heart and your mission with this blog post is a mission we fully support – keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Marcus Wendt<br />
Composite</p>
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		<title>By: Piero Tintori</title>
		<link>http://jboye.com/blogpost/complete-firefox-support-required/comment-page-1/#comment-2011</link>
		<dc:creator>Piero Tintori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can completely appreciate the level of effort required to develop a WCM that supports multiple browsers. I think the big issue is that if the system wasn&#039;t developed at the beginning with that in mind it&#039;s very difficult to retro fit.

We supported Firefox and IE from the start and have also introduced support for Safari and Opera. Now that we introducing a lot more AJAX in the front end we can really see the amount of work required to implement and test our system in all the browsers. That said we believe that it&#039;s worth it, especially the increasing number of Apple and Firefox users out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can completely appreciate the level of effort required to develop a WCM that supports multiple browsers. I think the big issue is that if the system wasn&#8217;t developed at the beginning with that in mind it&#8217;s very difficult to retro fit.</p>
<p>We supported Firefox and IE from the start and have also introduced support for Safari and Opera. Now that we introducing a lot more AJAX in the front end we can really see the amount of work required to implement and test our system in all the browsers. That said we believe that it&#8217;s worth it, especially the increasing number of Apple and Firefox users out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Janus Boye</title>
		<link>http://jboye.com/blogpost/complete-firefox-support-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>Janus Boye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jon.
I&#039;ll keep EPiServer on the list

Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jon.<br />
I&#8217;ll keep EPiServer on the list</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Marks</title>
		<link>http://jboye.com/blogpost/complete-firefox-support-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1988</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing we&#039;re playing this game, I&#039;ll add that EPiServer 4.6x is a complete mess in Firefox. EPiServer 5, however, is great. The only feature that doesn&#039;t work in FireFox is drag-and-drop file upload from the desktop into the browser as this requires ActiveX. If there is a OS and browser neutral way to achieve this, I don&#039;t know what it is. There are FireFox extensions, and Google Wave uses Google Gears to achieve this, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing we&#8217;re playing this game, I&#8217;ll add that EPiServer 4.6x is a complete mess in Firefox. EPiServer 5, however, is great. The only feature that doesn&#8217;t work in FireFox is drag-and-drop file upload from the desktop into the browser as this requires ActiveX. If there is a OS and browser neutral way to achieve this, I don&#8217;t know what it is. There are FireFox extensions, and Google Wave uses Google Gears to achieve this, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Janus Boye</title>
		<link>http://jboye.com/blogpost/complete-firefox-support-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1987</link>
		<dc:creator>Janus Boye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Markus
I am glad to hear that you claim Firefox support on so many different platforms. 

As I said a few weeks ago, your customers are telling me otherwise. They may be on older versions or they may simply be wrong. I would be happy to delete you from the list, if you could provide me with some references that I can talk to that actually uses C1 on Firefox

NB: A part of being vendor neutral is that I listen to both customers and vendors. When there are conflicting claims, which often happen, I do a fact-check, but lean towards trusting the customer statements. Making unfounded claims, or accusing others of doing so, makes little sense for everybody involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Markus<br />
I am glad to hear that you claim Firefox support on so many different platforms. </p>
<p>As I said a few weeks ago, your customers are telling me otherwise. They may be on older versions or they may simply be wrong. I would be happy to delete you from the list, if you could provide me with some references that I can talk to that actually uses C1 on Firefox</p>
<p>NB: A part of being vendor neutral is that I listen to both customers and vendors. When there are conflicting claims, which often happen, I do a fact-check, but lean towards trusting the customer statements. Making unfounded claims, or accusing others of doing so, makes little sense for everybody involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Wendt</title>
		<link>http://jboye.com/blogpost/complete-firefox-support-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1980</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Wendt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to Linux we could also add Solaris, Windows 7, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2008 R2, and a bunch of other platforms featuring Mozilla Firefox. Like a lot of other software vendors out there we have listed the platforms which we encounter in the market, not an exhaustive list. 

It’s like the list you have assembled above - you have added systems which you feel are relevant to your audience, not every CMS you have ever heard about. You have done this because you know that being exhaustive is not necessarily helping the reader. 

Anyway – as stated a few times by now - Composite C1 enjoys complete Firefox support, yet you claim that we don’t. I’m still waiting for your actual response - that we are either removed from this list or that you describe a single user action which a Firefox user is barred from executing in Composite C1. You simply can not call your self a vender neutral CMS expert and then make unfounded claims like this.


Best regards

Marcus Wendt
Composite</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to Linux we could also add Solaris, Windows 7, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2008 R2, and a bunch of other platforms featuring Mozilla Firefox. Like a lot of other software vendors out there we have listed the platforms which we encounter in the market, not an exhaustive list. </p>
<p>It’s like the list you have assembled above &#8211; you have added systems which you feel are relevant to your audience, not every CMS you have ever heard about. You have done this because you know that being exhaustive is not necessarily helping the reader. </p>
<p>Anyway – as stated a few times by now &#8211; Composite C1 enjoys complete Firefox support, yet you claim that we don’t. I’m still waiting for your actual response &#8211; that we are either removed from this list or that you describe a single user action which a Firefox user is barred from executing in Composite C1. You simply can not call your self a vender neutral CMS expert and then make unfounded claims like this.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Marcus Wendt<br />
Composite</p>
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		<title>By: Janus Boye</title>
		<link>http://jboye.com/blogpost/complete-firefox-support-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1977</link>
		<dc:creator>Janus Boye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear that Composite takes Firefox serious. 

According to the C1 system requirements document up on your own site (http://compositecorp.c1live01.composite.net/Renderers/ShowMedia.ashx?i=MediaArchive:/Downloads/Composite_C1_System_requirements.pdf) the Composite C1 client runs on Windows XP or Apples OS X. It says nothing about Linux.

Let me know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear that Composite takes Firefox serious. </p>
<p>According to the C1 system requirements document up on your own site (<a href="http://compositecorp.c1live01.composite.net/Renderers/ShowMedia.ashx?i=MediaArchive:/Downloads/Composite_C1_System_requirements.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://compositecorp.c1live01.composite.net/Renderers/ShowMedia.ashx?i=MediaArchive:/Downloads/Composite_C1_System_requirements.pdf</a>) the Composite C1 client runs on Windows XP or Apples OS X. It says nothing about Linux.</p>
<p>Let me know</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Wendt</title>
		<link>http://jboye.com/blogpost/complete-firefox-support-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1969</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Wendt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Janus,

articles like http://www.microsoft.com/danmark/referencer/compositeUK.mspx might give you the impression that we would favor IE and have Firefox as a step child, but if you were to investigate this a little bit beyond hearsay I think you would find that we are not only at 100% Firefox support - we actually encourage people to use Firefox for editing via Composite C1.

If you are not going to remove us from your list, at least have the courtesy of informing us where we are lacking Firefox support, either by contacting us directly or posting it on this blog.


Best regards

Marcus Wendt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Janus,</p>
<p>articles like <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/danmark/referencer/compositeUK.mspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/danmark/referencer/compositeUK.mspx</a> might give you the impression that we would favor IE and have Firefox as a step child, but if you were to investigate this a little bit beyond hearsay I think you would find that we are not only at 100% Firefox support &#8211; we actually encourage people to use Firefox for editing via Composite C1.</p>
<p>If you are not going to remove us from your list, at least have the courtesy of informing us where we are lacking Firefox support, either by contacting us directly or posting it on this blog.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Marcus Wendt</p>
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		<title>By: Jens Gyldenkærne Clausen</title>
		<link>http://jboye.com/blogpost/complete-firefox-support-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1948</link>
		<dc:creator>Jens Gyldenkærne Clausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SharePoint&#039;s support for non IE-browsers is a disgrace. But according to your link, not only are Firefox/Opera/Chrome/Safari users left with a substandard user interface (with i.e. no Rich Text Editor, no datepickers etc.) - even brand new 64 bit versions of IE7 and IE8 are treated as &quot;Level 2 browsers&quot;.

Hopefully some of this will be improved in the upcoming 2010 version (which at least on the serverside will only run on 64 bit Windows).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SharePoint&#8217;s support for non IE-browsers is a disgrace. But according to your link, not only are Firefox/Opera/Chrome/Safari users left with a substandard user interface (with i.e. no Rich Text Editor, no datepickers etc.) &#8211; even brand new 64 bit versions of IE7 and IE8 are treated as &#8220;Level 2 browsers&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hopefully some of this will be improved in the upcoming 2010 version (which at least on the serverside will only run on 64 bit Windows).</p>
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