Comments on: Don’t worry about CMIS http://jboye.com/blogpost/dont-worry-about-cmis/ The international community for web and intranet professionals Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:45:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: CMIS, my vision | Sitecore Blogs http://jboye.com/blogpost/dont-worry-about-cmis/comment-page-1/#comment-3902 CMIS, my vision | Sitecore Blogs Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:52:26 +0000 http://www.jboye.com/?p=1418#comment-3902 [...] JBoye just posted a blogpost(also a reaction) about what they think customers should do an not do at this moment. I agree with them to some level, but only if you include the reactions in your vision. [...] [...] JBoye just posted a blogpost(also a reaction) about what they think customers should do an not do at this moment. I agree with them to some level, but only if you include the reactions in your vision. [...]

]]> By: J. Boye » Blog Archive » 10 years with web content management - some inconvenient truths http://jboye.com/blogpost/dont-worry-about-cmis/comment-page-1/#comment-552 J. Boye » Blog Archive » 10 years with web content management - some inconvenient truths Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:05:58 +0000 http://www.jboye.com/?p=1418#comment-552 [...] are nice, but elusive - we are really lacking standards and while eg. CMIS is an interesting initiative it is still a few years into the [...] [...] are nice, but elusive – we are really lacking standards and while eg. CMIS is an interesting initiative it is still a few years into the [...]

]]> By: Janus Boye http://jboye.com/blogpost/dont-worry-about-cmis/comment-page-1/#comment-454 Janus Boye Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:52:22 +0000 http://www.jboye.com/?p=1418#comment-454 Yes, if everything else was equal, then I would recommend the vendor with the CMIS vision or test implementation. However the reality in this marketplace is that everything else is never equal. The products are different, technologies are different, prices are different, user interfaces are different etc. As long as CMIS is not even a standard, I remain unconvinced that buyers need to worry about it, as there are much more important issues that should be enough to guide their decision. Cheers, Yes, if everything else was equal, then I would recommend the vendor with the CMIS vision or test implementation.

However the reality in this marketplace is that everything else is never equal. The products are different, technologies are different, prices are different, user interfaces are different etc.

As long as CMIS is not even a standard, I remain unconvinced that buyers need to worry about it, as there are much more important issues that should be enough to guide their decision.

Cheers,

]]> By: Sitecore Fetch Squad » Blog Archive » CMIS, my vision http://jboye.com/blogpost/dont-worry-about-cmis/comment-page-1/#comment-446 Sitecore Fetch Squad » Blog Archive » CMIS, my vision Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:27:58 +0000 http://www.jboye.com/?p=1418#comment-446 [...] JBoye just posted a blogpost(also a reaction) about what they think customers should do an not do at this moment. I agree with them to some level, but only if you include the reactions in your vision. [...] [...] JBoye just posted a blogpost(also a reaction) about what they think customers should do an not do at this moment. I agree with them to some level, but only if you include the reactions in your vision. [...]

]]> By: .Sitecore » Blog Archive » CMIS, my vision http://jboye.com/blogpost/dont-worry-about-cmis/comment-page-1/#comment-395 .Sitecore » Blog Archive » CMIS, my vision Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:24:44 +0000 http://www.jboye.com/?p=1418#comment-395 [...] JBoye just posted a blogpost(also a reaction) about what they think customers should do an not do at this moment. I agree with them to some level, but only if you include the reactions in your vision. [...] [...] JBoye just posted a blogpost(also a reaction) about what they think customers should do an not do at this moment. I agree with them to some level, but only if you include the reactions in your vision. [...]

]]> By: Laurence Hart http://jboye.com/blogpost/dont-worry-about-cmis/comment-page-1/#comment-390 Laurence Hart Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:16:31 +0000 http://www.jboye.com/?p=1418#comment-390 You make valid points, but the conclusion is only about half-right. I agree that CMIS compliance should not a determining factor in a purchase right now. That being said, people do need to worry about it. Was going to keep it to a comment, but I expanded into a post: http://wordofpie.com/2009/03/16/should-cmis-impact-purchasing-now/ If a WCM vendor doesn't have a plan for CMIS, then you have to wonder about their vision. Not having a test implementation is okay, but having one shows commitment. WCM vendors will need to support it, and not just for Gregory's reason. If a WCM vendor can leverage an ECM repository for content, then the scale problem might go away for the WCM vendor. More details on my post. Thanks for getting this conversation started. I think it needs to happen. -Pie You make valid points, but the conclusion is only about half-right. I agree that CMIS compliance should not a determining factor in a purchase right now. That being said, people do need to worry about it.

Was going to keep it to a comment, but I expanded into a post:
http://wordofpie.com/2009/03/16/should-cmis-impact-purchasing-now/

If a WCM vendor doesn’t have a plan for CMIS, then you have to wonder about their vision. Not having a test implementation is okay, but having one shows commitment.

WCM vendors will need to support it, and not just for Gregory’s reason. If a WCM vendor can leverage an ECM repository for content, then the scale problem might go away for the WCM vendor.

More details on my post. Thanks for getting this conversation started. I think it needs to happen.

-Pie

]]> By: Should CMIS Impact Purchasing Now? « Word of Pie http://jboye.com/blogpost/dont-worry-about-cmis/comment-page-1/#comment-389 Should CMIS Impact Purchasing Now? « Word of Pie Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:13:13 +0000 http://www.jboye.com/?p=1418#comment-389 [...] on 16 March 2009 I was reading a post by Janus Boye with the provocative premise that customers shouldn’t worry about CMIS. As you can imagine, I was shocked.  When I read the post, I saw that he had some valid [...] [...] on 16 March 2009 I was reading a post by Janus Boye with the provocative premise that customers shouldn’t worry about CMIS. As you can imagine, I was shocked.  When I read the post, I saw that he had some valid [...]

]]> By: Janus Boye http://jboye.com/blogpost/dont-worry-about-cmis/comment-page-1/#comment-386 Janus Boye Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:25:17 +0000 http://www.jboye.com/?p=1418#comment-386 Good point, Gregory. How difficult is it really to consume CMIS content? I mean for a system that already supports multiple data sources, e.g. XML-based content such as Atom or RSS, how much do you think it will take to add CMIS support? As far as I can see, consuming CMIS is something that is not going to require too many engineering resources from the vendors. If you agree, then I don't think buyers should be too concerned about lacking support with consuming CMIS content. Cheers, Good point, Gregory.
How difficult is it really to consume CMIS content? I mean for a system that already supports multiple data sources, e.g. XML-based content such as Atom or RSS, how much do you think it will take to add CMIS support?

As far as I can see, consuming CMIS is something that is not going to require too many engineering resources from the vendors. If you agree, then I don’t think buyers should be too concerned about lacking support with consuming CMIS content.

Cheers,

]]> By: David Nuescheler http://jboye.com/blogpost/dont-worry-about-cmis/comment-page-1/#comment-385 David Nuescheler Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:55:32 +0000 http://www.jboye.com/?p=1418#comment-385 Congrats to Janus for a very good write up, and to Gregory for a good comment. Full disclosure as well: I am one of the proposers of CMIS and also on the TC serving as the JCR liaison and active in the open source implementation effort of CMIS at Apache [1]. I think it is important to be stressed that CMIS "by design" is an interoperability (least common denominator) specification for Document Management systems, hence excludes WCM (and other ECM disciplines) from its scope. I think this is a smart move to help to the TC focus. regards, david (OT: I have a feeling that over time ECM has been reduced to a more modern synonym for DM, so we probably should call it "DMIS" instead ;) ) [1] http://wiki.apache.org/jackrabbit/SandboxCMIS Congrats to Janus for a very good write up, and to Gregory for a good comment.

Full disclosure as well: I am one of the proposers of CMIS and also on the TC serving as the JCR liaison and active in the open source implementation effort of CMIS at Apache [1].

I think it is important to be stressed that CMIS “by design” is an interoperability (least common denominator) specification for Document Management systems, hence excludes WCM (and other ECM disciplines) from its scope. I think this is a smart move to help to the TC focus.

regards,
david

(OT: I have a feeling that over time ECM has been reduced to a more modern synonym for DM, so we probably should call it “DMIS” instead ;) )

[1] http://wiki.apache.org/jackrabbit/SandboxCMIS

]]> By: Gregory Melahn http://jboye.com/blogpost/dont-worry-about-cmis/comment-page-1/#comment-370 Gregory Melahn Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:58:06 +0000 http://www.jboye.com/?p=1418#comment-370 When talking to a Web CMS vendor I think it is useful to separate the discussion on CMIS support into two discussions. The first is what their plans are for being a CMIS provider - i.e. when they will make their own content available using CMIS as the API. I agree that may be a longer term proposition, especially for smaller Web CMS vendors. But the other question is when they can can consume CMIS content. When CMIS is approved the major content vendors should have a strong interest in quickly adding CMIS as another access method and so a CMS vendor (even, or maybe especially, a small one) should be interested in being able to selectively consume CMIS (or more generally Atom accessible) content from existing ECM systems. Full disclosure: I am on the CMIS TC When talking to a Web CMS vendor I think it is useful to separate the discussion on CMIS support into two discussions. The first is what their plans are for being a CMIS provider – i.e. when they will make their own content available using CMIS as the API. I agree that may be a longer term proposition, especially for smaller Web CMS vendors. But the other question is when they can can consume CMIS content. When CMIS is approved the major content vendors should have a strong interest in quickly adding CMIS as another access method and so a CMS vendor (even, or maybe especially, a small one) should be interested in being able to selectively consume CMIS (or more generally Atom accessible) content from existing ECM systems. Full disclosure: I am on the CMIS TC

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