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		<title>By: Darren Guarnaccia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Guarnaccia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Barb,

I did a little checking, and it appears that the issue you were dealing with was fixed in both 6.1 (your current version) and 6.2. However, it could be that you folked decided to move up to 6.2 to get the addition features that were released in that version, such as Outlook based workflow management, improved RSS handling, Dropout tracking in Webforms for marketers, and many others.  We do have a variety of customers successfully working with OMS, and would be happy to help you connect up with them. Feel free to ping me in email. d g at sitecore dot net. 

Best,

Darren Guarnaccia
VP Product Marketing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barb,</p>
<p>I did a little checking, and it appears that the issue you were dealing with was fixed in both 6.1 (your current version) and 6.2. However, it could be that you folked decided to move up to 6.2 to get the addition features that were released in that version, such as Outlook based workflow management, improved RSS handling, Dropout tracking in Webforms for marketers, and many others.  We do have a variety of customers successfully working with OMS, and would be happy to help you connect up with them. Feel free to ping me in email. d g at sitecore dot net. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Darren Guarnaccia<br />
VP Product Marketing</p>
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		<title>By: Barb Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough, our company purchased Sitecore OMS six months ago and are now being told that we need to upgrade to Sitecore 6.2 for it to operate correctly. Looking for any happy OMS users out there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, our company purchased Sitecore OMS six months ago and are now being told that we need to upgrade to Sitecore 6.2 for it to operate correctly. Looking for any happy OMS users out there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J. Boye &#124; Sitecore posts record numbers again</title>
		<link>http://jboye.com/blogpost/new-sitecore-version-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-3435</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Boye &#124; Sitecore posts record numbers again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sitecore have also just announced their very first live customer on their much promoted Online Marketing Suite. To my surprise this was a government customer &#8211; National Consumer Agency of Denmark &#8211; and I can only imagine how relieved Sitecore is to finally have a real OMS reference. OMS was a topic in the recent kick-off meeting in our new Danish Sitecore community and for our take on OMS, see Peter Sejersen controversial analysis: New Sitecore version – why bother? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sitecore have also just announced their very first live customer on their much promoted Online Marketing Suite. To my surprise this was a government customer &#8211; National Consumer Agency of Denmark &#8211; and I can only imagine how relieved Sitecore is to finally have a real OMS reference. OMS was a topic in the recent kick-off meeting in our new Danish Sitecore community and for our take on OMS, see Peter Sejersen controversial analysis: New Sitecore version – why bother? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Sitecore winners of Web Idol at Aarhus 2009 - J. Boye &#187; Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Sitecore winners of Web Idol at Aarhus 2009 - J. Boye &#187; Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] showed some of the new stuff from Sitecore Online Marketing Suite. My colleague has previously questioned whether the upgrade is worth it, something which was certainly not answered in the 7 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] showed some of the new stuff from Sitecore Online Marketing Suite. My colleague has previously questioned whether the upgrade is worth it, something which was certainly not answered in the 7 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John West</title>
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		<dc:creator>John West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting points, but even if you don&#039;t use OMS, there are still several very good reasons to upgrade to Sitecore 6.1.

OMS depends on conditional rendering, which is a new feature in 6.1. Almost any complex Web site and even some simple ones could take advantage of conditional rendering, and upgrading to 6.1 seems like a more cost-effective way to get these features than developing them custom, and then upgrading Sitecore in the future anyway (Sitecore customers definitely don&#039;t switch CMS products every few years).

Conditional rendering depends in turn upon the rules engine. Almost anything you can do through the rules engine, you could previously do in code and/or configuration. Now you can implement those customizations through the browser-based user interface.

Sitecore 6.1 also introduces edit frames and the field editor, which could have unlimited uses for developers designing solutions for the Page Editor, again avoiding customizations to achieve these features in 6.

Of course, every Sitecore release has performance enhancements, minor corrections, and various other features. Like any upgrade, getting to this release now could make future upgrades easier.

You can get pointers to documentation on the various 6.1 features here:

http://sitecorejohn.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!960125F1D4A59952!412.entry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting points, but even if you don&#8217;t use OMS, there are still several very good reasons to upgrade to Sitecore 6.1.</p>
<p>OMS depends on conditional rendering, which is a new feature in 6.1. Almost any complex Web site and even some simple ones could take advantage of conditional rendering, and upgrading to 6.1 seems like a more cost-effective way to get these features than developing them custom, and then upgrading Sitecore in the future anyway (Sitecore customers definitely don&#8217;t switch CMS products every few years).</p>
<p>Conditional rendering depends in turn upon the rules engine. Almost anything you can do through the rules engine, you could previously do in code and/or configuration. Now you can implement those customizations through the browser-based user interface.</p>
<p>Sitecore 6.1 also introduces edit frames and the field editor, which could have unlimited uses for developers designing solutions for the Page Editor, again avoiding customizations to achieve these features in 6.</p>
<p>Of course, every Sitecore release has performance enhancements, minor corrections, and various other features. Like any upgrade, getting to this release now could make future upgrades easier.</p>
<p>You can get pointers to documentation on the various 6.1 features here:</p>
<p><a href="http://sitecorejohn.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!960125F1D4A59952!412.entry" rel="nofollow">http://sitecorejohn.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!960125F1D4A59952!412.entry</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stig Andersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stig Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, the question you ask – New Sitecore version, why bother – is of course relevant. Unfortunately you partially answer the question yourself, based on only a few facts. The Online Marketing Suite add on/feature seems to be the most visible “new feature” in the update, but from what I understand there’s a host of other “under the hood” updates, fine-tunes and fixes adding value as well. I refrain from commenting on these in detail as I haven’t seen the product yet (I will have an opinion next month as Sitecore visit us at Devoteam for a full day demo and Q/A session). But before judging the upgrade, I do believe you should take this in to consideration as well.

I know JBoye as a very respectable consultancy, so I expect you take Darren Guarnaccia up on his offer and look forward to hear you comment once you have a more thorough picture of the product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, the question you ask – New Sitecore version, why bother – is of course relevant. Unfortunately you partially answer the question yourself, based on only a few facts. The Online Marketing Suite add on/feature seems to be the most visible “new feature” in the update, but from what I understand there’s a host of other “under the hood” updates, fine-tunes and fixes adding value as well. I refrain from commenting on these in detail as I haven’t seen the product yet (I will have an opinion next month as Sitecore visit us at Devoteam for a full day demo and Q/A session). But before judging the upgrade, I do believe you should take this in to consideration as well.</p>
<p>I know JBoye as a very respectable consultancy, so I expect you take Darren Guarnaccia up on his offer and look forward to hear you comment once you have a more thorough picture of the product.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Sejersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Sejersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for the constructive comments.

As many of you point out, I’m aware that OMS brings bring new functionality to the Sitecore framework, besides web analytics. My question is simply whether it is a good thing for customers? If a simple demo requires several hours, my conclusion is that the new solution is rather complex.

@StevenSingh: Vendors and system integrators like you are definitely encouraged to participate in the discussion on this blog. Openness and dialogue are great, as we can all learn from each other.

@JensMikkelsen: Thanks for the useful link and for the open thoughts about the new version. It’s great to see that you have provided a free guide for some of the new OMS features. As you point out: “OMS is still in its early stages and there is still room for improvement – especially regarding usability for the marketing persons”. That is probably something system integrators like you can help to improve, but who will pay?

@DarrenGuarnaccia: I agree that “customers need more effective solutions, and not a bunch of point solutions requiring vast integration.” However, often “less is more” as we have learnt from &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mies_van_der_rohe&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mies van der Rohe&lt;/a&gt; and Google. For the ordinary business user whom you refer to as the main target of OMS, I still find it hard to believe that they will see the new feature set as making things easier. I would be happy to be proven wrong. Also, I would love to get a demo, which is why I signed up for the ’instant demo’ 2 days ago. When we visited Sitecore we actually had almost an hour, which should be enough – in particular if you start with the demo and don’t spend time explaining what a CMS is…

@JohnAustin: I did read your article and comment on Twitter, and I agree that planning is of course important. For OMS, I am afraid that the chart you provide in the article is too illegible to be understood. As you mention in the article: “It should be noted that Everest’s WEM capabilities will require significant strategy, planning, implementation, and a supportive management process to be effective” - followed by a list 10 things that needs to be done. This seems like a cumbersome task, and not something the ordinary user will be able to do.

Should everybody upgrade to 6.1 as soon as possible? Any customer perspectives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for the constructive comments.</p>
<p>As many of you point out, I’m aware that OMS brings bring new functionality to the Sitecore framework, besides web analytics. My question is simply whether it is a good thing for customers? If a simple demo requires several hours, my conclusion is that the new solution is rather complex.</p>
<p>@StevenSingh: Vendors and system integrators like you are definitely encouraged to participate in the discussion on this blog. Openness and dialogue are great, as we can all learn from each other.</p>
<p>@JensMikkelsen: Thanks for the useful link and for the open thoughts about the new version. It’s great to see that you have provided a free guide for some of the new OMS features. As you point out: “OMS is still in its early stages and there is still room for improvement – especially regarding usability for the marketing persons”. That is probably something system integrators like you can help to improve, but who will pay?</p>
<p>@DarrenGuarnaccia: I agree that “customers need more effective solutions, and not a bunch of point solutions requiring vast integration.” However, often “less is more” as we have learnt from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mies_van_der_rohe" rel="nofollow">Mies van der Rohe</a> and Google. For the ordinary business user whom you refer to as the main target of OMS, I still find it hard to believe that they will see the new feature set as making things easier. I would be happy to be proven wrong. Also, I would love to get a demo, which is why I signed up for the ’instant demo’ 2 days ago. When we visited Sitecore we actually had almost an hour, which should be enough – in particular if you start with the demo and don’t spend time explaining what a CMS is…</p>
<p>@JohnAustin: I did read your article and comment on Twitter, and I agree that planning is of course important. For OMS, I am afraid that the chart you provide in the article is too illegible to be understood. As you mention in the article: “It should be noted that Everest’s WEM capabilities will require significant strategy, planning, implementation, and a supportive management process to be effective” &#8211; followed by a list 10 things that needs to be done. This seems like a cumbersome task, and not something the ordinary user will be able to do.</p>
<p>Should everybody upgrade to 6.1 as soon as possible? Any customer perspectives?</p>
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		<title>By: John Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter I am surprised by your blog post particularly after I provided you with a link to my own blog post (http://blog.falcon-software.com/2009/05/01/sitecore%e2%80%99s-everest/ ) which outlines that Sitecore OMS is far more than just integrated web analytics. While the analytics allows you to measure your website against key performance indicators (Site Goals) that is not what got me excited about Sitecore OMS. Sitecore OMS allows you to provide highly targeted web experiences to site users based on a user&#039;s browsing behavior, it also allows you to identify and evaluate business leads from your website.  The very postive response from clients tells me that they really understand the potential of Sitecore OMS. In fairness to Sitecore you might want to take Darren up on his offer to provide a full demonstration before you question the value of this new version of Sitecore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter I am surprised by your blog post particularly after I provided you with a link to my own blog post (<a href="http://blog.falcon-software.com/2009/05/01/sitecore%e2%80%99s-everest/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.falcon-software.com/2009/05/01/sitecore%e2%80%99s-everest/</a> ) which outlines that Sitecore OMS is far more than just integrated web analytics. While the analytics allows you to measure your website against key performance indicators (Site Goals) that is not what got me excited about Sitecore OMS. Sitecore OMS allows you to provide highly targeted web experiences to site users based on a user&#8217;s browsing behavior, it also allows you to identify and evaluate business leads from your website.  The very postive response from clients tells me that they really understand the potential of Sitecore OMS. In fairness to Sitecore you might want to take Darren up on his offer to provide a full demonstration before you question the value of this new version of Sitecore.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Guarnaccia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Guarnaccia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Janus, I&#039;m happy to take you through the OMS any time you&#039;d like. As I understand it, you only had 30 minutes to dedicate to the meeting, and that wouldn&#039;t even be enough time to even scratch the surface, hence the conceptual slide deck to explain the business concepts.  Feel free to email me at dg(at)sitecore(dot)net and we&#039;ll schedule enough time to help you understand what we&#039;ve done with OMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Janus, I&#8217;m happy to take you through the OMS any time you&#8217;d like. As I understand it, you only had 30 minutes to dedicate to the meeting, and that wouldn&#8217;t even be enough time to even scratch the surface, hence the conceptual slide deck to explain the business concepts.  Feel free to email me at dg(at)sitecore(dot)net and we&#8217;ll schedule enough time to help you understand what we&#8217;ve done with OMS.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Guarnaccia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Guarnaccia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a fair question Janus, why does OMS matter?  I mean, you can easily get all these components off the shelf can&#039;t you?  Why put them together into a single package?  For the same reason that every product evolves into more comprehensive solutions, because customers need more effective solutions, and not a bunch of point solutions requiring vast integration. I talk about it in depth in this guest blogging spot: http://www.oshyn.com/_blog/Sitecore/post/The_Next_Evolution_of_Web_Content_Management_Technologies 

It&#039;s also important to point out that what Sitecore has done with OMS is far more than incorporate web analytics. OMS also provides quite a large amount of Marketing automation as well. Sure, Interwoven has parts of this (mostly MV testing from their Optimost acquisition) and Tridion (who coincidentally announced their OMS product 1 day after ours) has some light analytics, simlple AB testing and email campaign integration but we&#039;ve gone well beyond these simple tools. We&#039;ve incorporated a whole suite of lead management, nurturing and optimization technology in addition to our WCM solution. We&#039;ve incorporated GeoIP targeting, lead scoring, campaign management, MV testing, sales enablement, segementation and profiling as well as out of the box CRM integration. This is well beyond what anyone else has done.  But let&#039;s again ask the question, why should a Sitecore customer care? Because Sitecore OMS and CMS now starts to solve the business challenge of customer acquisition and revenue generation. Like many other applications in other markets, Sitecore is simply evolving to expand the business value of its solutions.

Best Regards,

Darren Guarnaccia
VP Product Marketing
Sitecore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a fair question Janus, why does OMS matter?  I mean, you can easily get all these components off the shelf can&#8217;t you?  Why put them together into a single package?  For the same reason that every product evolves into more comprehensive solutions, because customers need more effective solutions, and not a bunch of point solutions requiring vast integration. I talk about it in depth in this guest blogging spot: <a href="http://www.oshyn.com/_blog/Sitecore/post/The_Next_Evolution_of_Web_Content_Management_Technologies" rel="nofollow">http://www.oshyn.com/_blog/Sitecore/post/The_Next_Evolution_of_Web_Content_Management_Technologies</a> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also important to point out that what Sitecore has done with OMS is far more than incorporate web analytics. OMS also provides quite a large amount of Marketing automation as well. Sure, Interwoven has parts of this (mostly MV testing from their Optimost acquisition) and Tridion (who coincidentally announced their OMS product 1 day after ours) has some light analytics, simlple AB testing and email campaign integration but we&#8217;ve gone well beyond these simple tools. We&#8217;ve incorporated a whole suite of lead management, nurturing and optimization technology in addition to our WCM solution. We&#8217;ve incorporated GeoIP targeting, lead scoring, campaign management, MV testing, sales enablement, segementation and profiling as well as out of the box CRM integration. This is well beyond what anyone else has done.  But let&#8217;s again ask the question, why should a Sitecore customer care? Because Sitecore OMS and CMS now starts to solve the business challenge of customer acquisition and revenue generation. Like many other applications in other markets, Sitecore is simply evolving to expand the business value of its solutions.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Darren Guarnaccia<br />
VP Product Marketing<br />
Sitecore</p>
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